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作者: 007 時間: 2007-6-11 20:25
標題: Avante Road Test (DF03 owner/buyer must read)
Just tested my Avante tonight. Below is my brief report to share with you.

Testing Condition:

Surface:
Asphalt - bicycle road

Motor:
23T, Tamiya Type S

Battery:
3700 mah, charged two weeks ago

ESC:
GTX

Servo:
Futaba 9451

Damper:
TRF

Testing Result and Comments:

Runtime:
With the above battery pack, I could run 15 min non-stop.

Motor:
The motor was extremely hot after the run. Therefore, adding a heat sink is highly recommended. Even the heat sink became really hot and the plastic beneath the motor was quite warm.

Control:
Very easy to maneuver the car. Sharp turn could be managed. No sliding or drifting when turning suddenly. The sound of the car is very quite. Could run smoothly and run a long distant when letting throttle off from full to neutral. The speed was really acceptable as a buggy. The torque was powerful.

Tire:
With tire insert, the tire felt like a soft bun yet firm. It helped the car to absorb the vibration. The tire did not wear out much after the run. Execellent tires.

Damper:
Must buy item. It helped the car to grid the ground and absorbed the force well when starting to move and when moving left or right (transfer of gravity).

Others:
The only thing that needs improvement is the heating issue. I guess a white pig or lower gear ratio could solve the problem.

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作者: gibson 時間: 2007-6-11 20:29
Thanks for your report, nice mango avante!!

作者: RockDragon00 時間: 2007-6-11 20:32
very good report and pretty body color ...

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-11 20:33
Thank you for your informative report..... Very good post...
For all other brothers, please share your impression of the new, hot DF03!!!

作者: TOMY(HONG) 時間: 2007-6-11 20:35
thank you 007

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-11 20:51
DF03 Owners, please share your settings.

Dark Impact (mikewu)

Motor:
black pig (Tamiya Sports Tune)

ESC:
TC2

Servo:
Futaba 9451

Damper:
TRF

Modifications:
1) Motor heat sink (Tamiya)
2) One way bearing (Tamiya)
3) Slipper Clutch (Tamiya)
4) Blue color drive shaft (3 Racing)
5) Blue steering rod (Tamiya)
6) Universial Joints front and rear (3 racing)
7) Front carbon shock towers (3 racing)
8) Blue color turning rods (3 racing)
9) Blue color battery rod (Tamiya)
10) Rear carbon shock towers (3 racing)
11) Metal steering cup (3 racing)

Impression:
Black pig speed is pretty good.  Can almost compare with 23T RZs.  TRF oil shocks, motor heat sink is a MUST HAVE!  Universial joints are also recommanded as the original dog bones are very easy to fall out.  Also, front and rear A arms has small gaps on the shaft which needs spacers to make sure it fits.  Otherwise, it might hit the "turning rods" while turning.
Suggest changing other parts while each starting to break down.

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作者: PRiNCe 時間: 2007-6-12 04:21
What is the speed with the 23T motor brother?? i want to use one as a 'rough basher' in HK, do you guys play DF-03 often??

cheers

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-12 09:03

原帖由 PRiNCe 於 2007-6-12 04:21 發表

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What is the speed with the 23T motor brother?? i want to use one as a 'rough basher' in HK, do you guys play DF-03 often??

cheers

Almost every week mate.....
I like my Sport Tune as heat is not a problem and the speed is somewhat decent..... When are you coming back?

作者: bigben 時間: 2007-6-12 10:19
Brother, I have encountered a problem in steering and see whether you can help.

The situation is that my dark impact was crashed to the wall corner and the front left wheel was loosen with some parts damaged. I then changed the damage parts and use the universal shaft for the front wheels.

However, whenver I now steer the wheels to the left, I find that there is a "click click" sound from the left wheel which make the left turning a bit unsmooth.... it sound like that the wheel hit the turning rod.... but I can't do nothing....

do you have these experience and how to solve??

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-12 17:44

原帖由 bigben 於 2007-6-12 10:19 發表

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Brother, I have encountered a problem in steering and see whether you can help.

The situation is that my dark impact was crashed to the wall corner and the front left wheel was loosen with som ...

Ah.... You might want to check the screws that holds the steering cups are missing. I had the same problem before...

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-13 10:50
For every DF03 owner, be sure to add spacers on your front king pin. It's a designing failure as the king pin might move towards the steering and hit the steering rods. And here is my DF03 Dark Impact..... Just added 3 Racing metal steering cup and rear carbon shock towers last nigh...

作者: SunLi 時間: 2007-6-13 10:51
Bodyshell: DarkImpact

Motor: Tamiya 23T super stock BZ

ESC: KO VFS-1

SERVO: KO 2413(8.5Kg 0.10S/60°)

Battery: Team Orion Li-Po 3200 + Novak auto-cut off

Option parts:
*High Torque Servo Saver OP473
*Slipper Clutch OP925
*Heat Sink Bar Set OP924
*6mm Wheel Hub OP596
*DF02 Universal shaft OP791

My DF03 virgin run was testing on the wet grass, the performance seems better than my expected, the steering & acceleration were not too bad by the original damper + Tamiya BZ motor.
The material of the shock towers are fairly soft, better change it to the graphite one to increase the stability.
After 18mins runtime, the motor was damn hot, and 68 degrees hot was measured on the heatsink.
I think motor cooling is the major question on DF03, I may add a little fan in front of the heatsink, and open few holes on the bodyshell for air cooling.
Tamiya BZ motor has attached the sponge cover to protect sand and dust, it is really good little parts for off-road car which motor is located outside the chassis.

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Also the TRF damper, spring set, roll bar and turnbuckle shaft set should be the great functional hop-up parts, I'm thinking about it!!

Here is my boring DF03 road test video and few photos..
(TRF bodyshell but no TRF hop-up parts

)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5UU6-LeWcg

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作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-13 11:26
Brother SunLi, what kind of tires are those? Looks different than mine bor....

作者: SunLi 時間: 2007-6-13 11:37

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-13 11:26 發表

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Brother SunLi, what kind of tires are those? Looks different than mine bor....

That's the proline buggy tires...... this tires pattern is good on grass surface

作者: gibson 時間: 2007-6-13 12:17

原帖由 SunLi 於 2007-6-13 10:51 發表

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Bodyshell: DarkImpact

Motor: Tamiya 23T super stock BZ

ESC: KO VFS-1

SERVO: KO 2413(8.5Kg 0.10S/60°)

Battery: Team Orion Li-Po 3200 + Novak auto-cut off

Option parts:
*High To ...

Bro sunLi,

another nice report, I think I have to add oil to do mine, but don't know when!!!!

Mike, where did you find the metal front steering cup!!! very good bor!!!

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作者: vr2uhu 時間: 2007-6-13 12:22
will cost u 100 in chong sing....3 racxx product... i got one....the one and the only one blue metal on my car.....

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-13 12:22

原帖由 gibson 於 2007-6-13 12:17 發表

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Bro sunLi,

another nice report, I think I have to add oil to do mine, but don't know when!!!!

Mike, where did you find the metal front steering cup!!! very good bor!!!

Chong Star law.... but I think brother uhu picked up the last pair last night....

作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-13 12:31

原帖由 vr2uhu 於 2007-6-13 12:22 發表

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will cost u 100 in chong sing....3 racxx product... i got one....the one and the only one blue metal on my car.....

what are the advantages for using the metal one?

作者: bigben 時間: 2007-6-13 12:39

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-12 17:44 發表

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Ah.... You might want to check the screws that holds the steering cups are missing. I had the same problem before...

thanks a lot!!
but I have replaced it with new screw !!! (as it is easy to be loosen)
but still some problem....

ah, I suggest the universal shaft (for the front wheel) get the first pripority in the hop-ups list.

作者: AMAT 時間: 2007-6-13 12:48

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-13 10:50 發表

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For every DF03 owner, be sure to add spacers on your front king pin. It's a designing failure as the king pin might move towards the steering and hit the steering rods. And here is my DF03 Dark ...

我砌果時都已經發現到有呢個問題,所以我前後臂PIN都已經落晒O的SPACER落去~

作者: 007 時間: 2007-6-13 12:50
Mike, Thanks for the tips about adding spacer to the pin. I will work on mine tonight.

作者: gibson 時間: 2007-6-13 12:54

原帖由 vr2uhu 於 2007-6-13 12:22 發表

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will cost u 100 in chong sing....3 racxx product... i got one....the one and the only one blue metal on my car.....

Thanks bros, why I did not notice this metal cup!!

作者: gibson 時間: 2007-6-13 12:55
HKD100, I can buy a RC car with HKD5 change!!

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-13 12:56

原帖由 AMAT 於 2007-6-13 12:48 發表

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我砌果時都已經發現到有呢個問題,所以我前後臂PIN都已經落晒O的SPACER落去~

My rear doesn't seem to have the same problem bor....?

Just the front king pin....

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-13 12:57

原帖由 007 於 2007-6-13 12:50 發表

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Mike, Thanks for the tips about adding spacer to the pin. I will work on mine tonight.

No problem.. That's why I put this post on top highlighted with Red....

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-13 12:58

原帖由 gibson 於 2007-6-13 12:55 發表

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HKD100, I can buy a RC car with HKD5 change!!

A piece of crap don't even have any springs or shocks..............

You should start a new post about your RC boys....

作者: AMAT 時間: 2007-6-13 15:36

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-13 12:56 發表

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My rear doesn't seem to have the same problem bor....? Just the front king pin....

橫掂都係喇,咪落埋去囉~!哈!

作者: 007 時間: 2007-6-13 20:00

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-13 10:50 發表

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For every DF03 owner, be sure to add spacers on your front king pin. It's a designing failure as the king pin might move towards the steering and hit the steering rods. And here is my DF03 Dark ...

Mike, what is the size of your spacer, 2.5mm or 3mm?

作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-13 23:17
貼我架出黎先!!!

作者: 007 時間: 2007-6-14 10:38

原帖由 vr2xvh 於 2007-6-13 23:17 發表

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貼我架出黎先!!!

vr2xvh, be careful with your ESC +- cables. They will touch the propellar.

作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-14 11:00

原帖由 007 於 2007-6-14 10:38 發表

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vr2xvh, be careful with your ESC +- cables. They will touch the propellar.

oh, thanks for your remind.....let me reverse the direction of battery cable

作者: vr2uhu 時間: 2007-6-14 23:37
valcro(<<-----dun know how to spell) added to the body....no clips are requited now

作者: SunLi 時間: 2007-6-15 00:24
標題: 回復 #32 vr2uhu 的帖子
and it can keep clean inside the chassis...

作者: minimini 時間: 2007-6-15 00:30
似乎好多 bros 都將嗰 3 支 heat-sink 向出面裝喎.....

作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-15 08:15

原帖由 vr2uhu 於 2007-6-14 23:37 發表

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valcro(

I use this one!

作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-16 10:42
Motor:
Tamiya 23T RZ

ESC:
TC2

Servo:
bluebird 616mg+hs 0.12s 9.2kg/cm

Damper:
original

Modifications:
1) Motor heat sink (Tamiya)
2) central One way bearing (Tamiya)
3) Slipper Clutch (Tamiya)
4) Universial Joints front (tamiya df-02)
5) front one way (Tamiya)

Impression:
After 15-minute run, the tamiya 23T RZ is fcuking hot. Therefore, a motor heat sink is a MUST.
Tamiya DF-02 universial joints perfectly fit DF-03 (front, as I am still using the original one at the rear). If you are unable to get a 3 racing universial joint, you may use a df-02 instead. The rear shock tower is terribly soft!!!

I don't understand why my car always oversteering when it is decelerating, but once it accelerates, it becomes understeering.....

作者: 007 時間: 2007-6-16 10:44

原帖由 vr2xvh 於 2007-6-16 10:42 發表

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Motor:
Tamiya 23T RZ

ESC:
TC2

Servo:
bluebird 616mg+hs 0.12s 9.2kg/cm

Damper:
original

Modifications:
1) Motor heat sink (Tamiya)
2) central One way bearing (Tam ...

"I don't understand why my car always oversteering when it is decelerating, but once it accelerates, it becomes understeering....."

It is normal wor. It is always like this for my other cars.

作者: SunLi 時間: 2007-6-16 10:53

原帖由 vr2xvh 於 2007-6-16 10:42 發表

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I don't understand why my car always oversteering when it is decelerating, but once it accelerates, it becomes understeering.....

This means your front & mid one way is working well....

can be faster out of the corner..

作者: owl 時間: 2007-6-16 18:06
sunli兄，Thank you u 教我齒比，我決定買6.5R試試

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作者: SunLi 時間: 2007-6-16 18:34

原帖由 owl 於 2007-6-16 18:06 發表

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sunli兄，Thank you u 教我齒比，我決定買6.5R試試

Hope this is useful for you....

[ 本帖最後由 SunLi 於 2007-6-16 19:50 編輯 ]

作者: PRiNCe 時間: 2007-6-16 20:44

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-12 01:03 發表

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Almost every week mate.....
I like my Sport Tune as heat is not a problem and the speed is somewhat decent..... When are you coming back?

I see, do you guys not play nitro bigfoot at FSY any more?! if you play it regularly i may have to buy one

oh and i will be back by Early July

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-17 02:51

原帖由 PRiNCe 於 2007-6-16 20:44 發表

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I see, do you guys not play nitro bigfoot at FSY any more?! if you play it regularly i may have to buy one oh and i will be back by Early July

It's just me that more focusing on EPs... Those animals are still going to FSY weekly.... my Baja has been covering with dusk lately...

作者: PRiNCe 時間: 2007-6-17 04:00
hmm i see, well the equation works out well!

Price of Dark Impact + Brushless = Price of HPI Savage/Revo

lets just see what you are into 1 month later sin

作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-17 22:48
今日係TKO試df03, 好彎得滯, 甩到好難控制, 唔知有乜解救? 無理由拆頭單

作者: SunLi 時間: 2007-6-17 23:31
Setting the rear camber angle to be more negative

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作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-18 10:21
Don't use Tamiya 23T RZ with the smallest spur gear that comes with the kit, otherwise the batteries will be drained out quickly, depriving the reasonable time of enjoyment!!!

作者: courel500 時間: 2007-6-18 10:27

原帖由 vr2xvh 於 2007-6-17 22:48 發表

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今日係TKO試df03, 好彎得滯, 甩到好難控制, 唔知有乜解救? 無理由拆頭單

個人感覺 , 越野車都係 Full Time 4WD 好 !

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-6-18 11:27

原帖由 courel500 於 2007-6-18 10:27 發表

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個人感覺 , 越野車都係 Full Time 4WD 好 !

終於有人醒覺 M03 rally 係唔得架啦.......... D Lunchbox 都要行埋一邊.......

作者: vr2xvh 時間: 2007-6-18 11:52

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-18 11:27 發表

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終於有人醒覺 M03 rally 係唔得架啦.......... D Lunchbox 都要行埋一邊.......

LB係用黎玩水.....

作者: agentjerry 時間: 2007-6-19 10:33

原帖由 vr2xvh 於 2007-6-18 11:52 發表

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LB係用黎玩水.....

WW2 for WAR GAME?

作者: mikewu 時間: 2007-7-8 19:07
新發現..... 孖星 23T BZ motor 係最佳DF03 motor................

作者: beaim 時間: 2007-7-10 02:01
most important for DF-03 is this....

after the gear run out, my DF-03 gone.duno where to buy this stuff.

作者: gibson 時間: 2007-8-2 14:13
One more information to share of the DF03. I find out that the Tamiya option oil dampers are too long for DF-03, I placed total 3 black O-ring inside the barrel to shorten the length, after doing that, it help to keep the dog bones in place!!

and I use more concentrated oil instead of the kit oil.

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作者: stig 時間: 2007-8-8 12:08

原帖由 gibson 於 2007-8-2 14:13 發表

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One more information to share of the DF03. I find out that the Tamiya option oil dampers are too long for DF-03, I placed total 3 black O-ring inside the barrel to shorten the length, after doi ...

how concentrate are u using ?

作者: gibson 時間: 2007-8-8 12:12

原帖由 stig 於 2007-8-8 12:08 發表

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how concentrate are u using ?

Actually I don't know the number, the oil is in yellow colour, I can tell by the appearance, due to the kit oil is extremely waterly.

作者: PRiNCe 時間: 2007-8-8 12:17
guys, how do you fit the servo into position?? it is very hard because the wires can't fit into the hole

作者: josephw 時間: 2008-3-12 21:02
如果買支黃色既避乂油(硬)~~要幾銀到呀///師兄

作者: mazda787B 時間: 2008-5-8 15:20

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-7-8 19:07 發表

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新發現..... 孖星 23T BZ motor 係最佳DF03 motor................

孖星 23T BZ motor 係最佳DF03 motor??究竟有幾好呀??我好想知呀!!

買大陸的無刷好嗎??只是幾百.....http://bbs.rc-evo.com/viewthread ... p;extra=&page=1

作者: raymen 時間: 2008-6-25 22:00
The bottom Plate is durable of DF-03 ? thks

作者: 教主 時間: 2008-7-9 02:59

原帖由 mikewu 於 2007-6-13 10:50 發表

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For every DF03 owner, be sure to add spacers on your front king pin. It's a designing failure as the king pin might move towards the steering and hit the steering rods. And here is my DF03 Dark Impa ...

hey thats me how to deal with the designing failure~~
it also prevent the front arms from "toe out " ( 日文譯 - 大開脚

) when " vertical head landing" ~~

作者: xiang 時間: 2009-2-3 09:31

原帖由教主於 2008-7-9 02:59 發表

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hey thats me how to deal with the designing failure~~
it also prevent the front arms from "toe out " ( 日文譯 - 大開脚 ) when " vertical head landing" ~~

Hi Guys,
I also got the DF03, Apparently the space in the King Pin is not a design flaw and is meant to be for a front brace.
I got spacers in mine as i couldnt find the front brace in KWS

3Racing DF03-20/WO - Front Brace
[attach]223380[/attach]

Also, anyone know where i can get a bigger/better front bumper for the DF03

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作者: jasperx01 時間: 2009-4-27 19:47
To all Ching

i'm trying to find a on-road tire set for this car,but i couldn't found it,normal 1/10 touring Tire set can't fit the car....

any suggestion??thank you!

歡迎光臨 RC EVOLUTION - 遙控工房 - 香港RC遙控車討論區 (https://rc-evo.com/xbbs/)